AlanF
06 Jul 06, 1:41am
As a liberal Brit, I was brought up to cherish the foundation of Israel after WW2 but to respect the rights of the Palestinians.
Over the years I stood outside Sainsbury's in Streatham trying to persuade shoppers to boycott avocados from Israel, in the hope that my small contribution would make a difference. But it didn't. And I couldn't understand why Arafat would never cut a deal.
I also had ludicrously naive ideas about oppression in a number of other countries.
But then, some 10 years ago, I started engaging properly with international politics.
Now I am totally supportive of Jews in the countries I know best, Britain and France, and also in Israel.
I see the hatred 1.2 billion Muslims around the world bring to bear on 20 million Jews and Israelis, who are only trying to survive. I talk to British Jews and Israelis, from Iraq and Morocco and Iran, and learn about the pogroms, the bombs in the synagogues, the sheer malice their parents had to survive.
I learn that there used to over 1 million Jews in North Africa and the Middle East, and that they were driven from their homes. Now there are only 8,000-odd, according to a recent BBC report.
These are the people, thankfully relocated to Israel, who hate Muslims and Palestinians. Their experience of "The Religion of Peace" has not been a positive one.
And now, having ethnically cleansed the Jews, the Christians, the original inhabitants of the Middle East, are getting the same treatment. According to Human Rights Watch, their numbers have fallen from 11 to 3 million in the last 15 years in the Middle East. Please visit Egyptian Copt or Iraqi Assyrian websites to understand the holocaust that is now taking place.
So, my hijabed friend starting this thread, don't talk to me about Deir Yassin until you can tell me about the Baghdad pogroms in the 1940s, where far more were murdered.
That's where Israeli racism comes from. A desperate survival instinct.
But where does your miserable anti-semitic racism come from? Why are you so worried about Palestinians, whose populations are increasing, when in Sudan genocide is taking place against non-Muslims (probably not important to you) and Muslims. The latest UN figures show an estimated 250,000 have been murdered in Darfur over the last five years, many hundreds of thousands raped and 2 million made homeless.
I used to support action against the injustice in Palestine until I came across the vile selectivity and hypocrisy of too many British Muslims. Now I am far more supportive of Israel, and I know many others like me are changing over.
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Wise words my friend AlanF
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I'm almost half temped to print this and hand out sheets to the idiots I see protesting against Israel outside of my local mall every weekend. I actually had to pull over to give them a long winded speech after having seen a sign that read: "Terrorism is Israel"
I love you for this journal.
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The whole thing goes back long before breaking of cease fires, how about blockades, stopping inports / exports... taking land not belonging and building on borders.... there's more to things than a simple one side did this and the other did that... its had a long running history and Israel have only worsened the political and issues on the ground and this is far from over and even further from peace.
All the problems in the world are caused by religions, narrow mindedness and country borders and greed.... things that can never be removed or solved and so people will continue to die.
Jews suffered, Muslims suffered, Christians suffered... so who should be the ones who should get there own back? Its messed up and it doesnt matter who causes it.. all as dumb and to blame as the next.
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when the people allow themselves to be used as human shields THEY are guilty as well.
So tell me how do you stop a group of people who is willing to use Hospitals and ambulances (this is a classic example even before this conflict happened they USED ambulances to traffic GUNS and Soldiers, Where is your moral compass now?)
Hamas is 100% to blame.
What do you think the blackade was about? Blocking Syrian and Iranian weapons smuggling is the reason for that blockade. Food and supplies still passes through if you didn't Gaza is incapable of sustaining itself because its people doesn't want to. IT IS a welfare state and guess who's footing the bills? Americans and Israel PAYS for those Powerplants and Social infrastructure. The very Hospitals and schools built was not built by them. The only export from Gaza are Katyusha rockets. If they wanted to negotiate for an ease of blockade they should have sent Diplomats not Rockets. They should ACT civil but we don't see that happening anytime soon. These people are so preoccupied with HATE that they teach there kids hate. Ever seen an evil version of Mickey Mouse? all you need to see the TV programs that they show to there kids. Ah yes Al-Jeezera.
Lets not end it there. Israel did give them there own Land but like babies they want it all INCLUDING the state of JORDAN. it was the Arabs that refused the offer of Land. it was also the Arabs that caused the Refugee situation as well. NO MATTER WHAT APPEASEMENT METHODS THEY GIVE THEM THEY RETURN THERE KINDNESS WITH ROCKETS AND BOMBS.
So yes enough is enough. 60 years of constant threats from random missile attacks (hint this is what terrorism is. its not how many people you kill its the THREAT of impending death) as far as we know Israel doesn't engage in random wholesale massacre of Palistinians. Like all other western countries who don't seem to be judged under the same light as Israel. If Israel wants to really kill the people of Gaza they would resort to carpet bombing. Instead they send there soldiers in there to MAKE SURE that they are killing the right people. BUT here is what I ask. how do you engage combat with people who don't value there own lives? They prefer to be the victims. They love to play the victim card. So again I ask you where is the logic in prolonging this problem? I say let Israel do what it must to protect itself. Like any nation. Regardless of who recognizes it or not. You know most countries are aquired either through conquest or negotiations. But you know what makes you earn that land? The ability to protect it. If you can't protect your own land you are not a country or a sovereign state. The spoils of war is the reward of war itself. Israel gained its independance It earned it. They even Recognized the new State of Palestine after the revolt. But you know what. who cares right? all you see are the bodies. You don't care why they are dead. Proportional warfair is a modern invention. They didnt practice this in any other country why should Israel? I mean Seroiusly. THEY EVEN GAVE THEM WARNINGS AHEAD OF TIME. if you still stayed there. and get blown up. that is your fault..
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This is the man who is responsible for the jew hatred we see today. And his ties and responsibility. And ironically its because of him that the state of Israel exists now.
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heres the articles with images and all
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Seriously... Israel doesnt let anyone except foreigners leave... Civilians with no money on land thats theres and no where to go cant leave.
Both Israel and Palestians have rights to the lands as both were given it in the first place and then they both fought for control since then.
Killing indescriminantly on either side is not justified... and especially killing more than 1000 and injuring, starving every other civilian over the death of less than 20 is not justified. Its just murder against people unable, not permitted or able to fight back.
Israel are no better than who they say there fighting.
Saying land is there's because they fought for it would give Palestinians as much reason to fight for it back.. if they won by your views it would be justified and fair.
The conflict isnt simple and no one side is right in this.
The fact is right now Israel are killing far more than justified and it should stop. It will only esculate the situation and they have gained nothing but more years of conflict not to mention loss of respect for Israel by most nations for there handling and reasoning for all the deaths.
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can't justify camouflaging yourself as a civilian in hopes that they would not shoot at you is the jist of my argument. You don't need money to walk out of Gaza. Gaza is not a large place. And they have been warned a head of time Not just foreigners. who told you it was just foreigners? you ment the evacuation of foreign nationals. That's a different matter all together. But what I was saying is.
Hey! here is a building that's harboring rocket launching asshats. Lets call everyone in that building that we will commence Artillery Barrage on that building in an hour. 1 hour 12 minutes later. Boom building blows up.
in other words they had plenty of time to NOT get blown up.
and according to the Hague and Geneva Convention Hamas militants have no rights.
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Wich means they are guilty of the crime of Perfidy
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According to this they can execute them on the spot no questions asked.
And the only way for Israel to stop is to End the existence of Hamas. Lest you let Hamas survive and continue again? These aren't normal people. Survival is victory to them. So you have a choice should the Jews just surrender to them or Hamas? you can Negotiate with Israel but you can't negotiate with terrorists. They do not compromise they are children. they must have what they want or else. Its a choice that people are too much of a coward to make. But it is up to them. NOT US.
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"POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is a doctrine fostered by a dillusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous main stream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. "
And Lobbing 3 thousand rockets that makes no distinction between women and children is NOT?
seriously. Palestinians voted terrorists into power. that makes them ALL terrorists. This is democracy putting the blame on the right people.
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